Kamil,In the Federalist Papers by Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, the Founders granted presidential rights to wave certain constitutional procedure in the interest of national security. [...] I also remind you that your right to a trial and lawyer exists only under American governance, which had its roots in the Christian-Judaeo faith. As an American your rights are derived from your country, not Islam.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:25 AM[...]um actually the same rights exist in europe and in north africa such as algeria i have been there and yes it is a muslim country and yes its a arab country and yes they have elections and yes they do have arrests and trials and lawyers and judges america isnt the only demcratic country in the world… u need to go to other countries be4 speakin none sense. how do explain algeria’s democratic state?
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:33 AM
[...]how do u explain the muslim empire ( wich by the way was WAY bigger and more glorious than the roman empire) electing califs in the 7th century yes after that they became monarchys and all that crap but they had an actual democracy way be4 the us’s existence
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:35 AM
wat about the greeks be4 jesus was born and be4 the us having a democracy im sorry but there were many people who had democracies be4 u did so i huess ur bassing yours on theirs
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:37 AM
Algeria’s democracy has emerged within the last decade. We’ve maintained ours for the past two and a half centuries, and our government was founded on Judaeo-Christian precepts and the philosophies of Locke, Voltaire, Hume, Kant, and Russeau. No Islamic thinkers, to be sure.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:38 AM
We derived extensively from the Greek tradition of Athens. But Greece is no longer existent, though many will tell you there are Greek elements in Christianity, such as the mystical Lake of Fire in revelations as it bears semblence to Platonic rhetoric.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:40 AM
its a shame that most of thoose FRENCH philospers renounced chritianity and any religion…. and greece has had a democracy WAY be4 the us and no algeria did not base its democratcy on the us considreing they dnt have the crapy shit that america has of the electoral college man waht kind of an idiot devises a system in wich the guy with the most votes looses, cnt find that in algeria or france
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:42 AM
You’re citing irrelevancy. Yes, Indians are native Americans, but they did not form the current constitutional mechanisms of our government.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:42 AM
You’re more ignorant than I thought. Algeria most certainly does have the equivalent of an electoral college, and if you like Algeria so much, perhaps you should move there.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:44 AM
u fucking idiot ive been there and ive studied there system they have no fucking electoral college like in france the one with the most votes wins its simple, now explain to the angry voters why the us has such a primitive system
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:48 AM
We’re far more tolerant of you than you are of others! No one on this discussion board has killed a Muslim. The only reason you can post on this board derives of the first amendment of free speech. So whine all you want. Frankly, you’re not worth defending in the first place. We’ll tolerate you, so long as you keep your religion to personal faith. Once it steps beyond that, we will retaliate to maintain security. Islam is built on the precepts of autocracy and theocracy. This is a democracy, pal. You’ve come to the wrong shop.
Posted by: Responder at January 4, 2004 07:52 AM
look shit head uve just proven that christianity isnt tolerant and i hope u know there are many nonchristian contries that have free speach and well ur not any more american than i am so why dnt you go somewhere else?
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:55 AM
i hope u know ur being debated by a 14 yr old who just turned 14 and who obviously is muslim and has a far more open and tolerant stance thatn you
Posted by: kamil at January 4, 2004 07:58 AM
Take your preaching of Allah-forbidden violence to those who invoke Allah as a means to justify their violence. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if it were otherwise.
Posted by: responder at January 4, 2004 08:08 AM
I don’t usually quote big chunks of threads, especially not troll wars, because it’s sort of a different phenomenon, a much more established older one, than gumbaby comments. But this one does begin with the blogger noting that the term “I hate Muslims” was bringing commenters to his site, expressing consternation about it, and hoping it wouldn’t happen anymore. And suddenly his blog became a forum for hateful trolling. So ultimately this is a textbook case.
And it tickles me because even though this thread demonstrates that not all gumbaby activity consists of pathetic mewling for Maury Povich’s help, both sides are still making such awful arguments, especially the guy who is haughtily employing his rhetorical arsenal (very, very poorly: the Native Americans didn’t create our governance system? o rly? That’s an argument? yeesh.) for the sake of putting down a relatively reasonable and inquisitive 14-year-old who is a complete stranger to him. This is, as I understand it, a brief synopsis of the Internet.